Orbifold ([info]orbifold) wrote,
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Richard Cohen is a God-damned idiot.

That is all.

EDITED: Okay, maybe that's not all. As my wife rightly informed me, my brusque post above doesn't exactly present my views clearly.

Math is not a universal skill, I understand that. I'm not trying to disparage anyone who has difficulty with mathematics. But when I see things like this:

"If, say, the school asked you for another year of English or, God forbid, history, so that you actually had to know something about your world, I would be on its side. But algebra? Please."

and this:

"Writing is the highest form of reasoning. This is a fact. Algebra is not. The proof of this, Gabriela, is all the people in my high school who were whizzes at math but did not know a thing about history and could not write a readable English sentence."

I see someone who is not only bad at math, but someone who is proud of that fact. And that galls me.

Yes, English and history teach you something about the world. But so does algebra, and anyone who says otherwise is lying. Does Richard Cohen think algebra comes from a vacuum? Or perhaps he could be made to realize that algebra is a language to describe the world around us, and that learning that language is another way of understanding that world.

And that second quote...ye Gods, if Richard Cohen really thinks writing is the "highest form of reasoning" you'd think he'd at least be smart enough to recognize a bullshit argument when he writes one. There are people who are good at math but not good at writing? Yes, yes there are. Why does that imply anything about the value of math vs. writing? If I said the following:

"Math is the highest form of reasoning. This is a fact. Writing is not. The proof of this is all the people I have known who were highly literate and well-versed in history but couldn't calculate a tip to save their life."

I'd be full of shit. And I'd be called full of shit, and rightly so.

There are people who are good at math but not at English. There are people who are good at English but not at math. Why does Richard Cohen think the latter group is exhibiting "the highest form of reasoning" but the former group is worthy of his derision?

EDIT #2: The LA Times article that Cohen refers to at the beginning of his column. Cohen is providing a glib and simplistic answer to a tragic and complicated problem.

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[info]gr8kat

February 17 2006, 17:27:44 UTC 6 years ago

I wonder if the school failed Gabriela in other ways. Was her teacher actually capable of teaching algebra? Could they have arranged for a tutor? Was there a pre-Algebra course she could have taken first? Or could they have done with her what my school ended up doing with me where, after flunking Algebra 1 twice, they put me in an "Algebra for dummies" type class which basically taught one year of algebra over the course of two years. It finally worked for me. I wonder if she had options like that, and if it would have made a difference.

[info]orbifold

February 17 2006, 18:38:57 UTC 6 years ago

Heavens knows, there are bad math teachers in the world, and it's entirely possible Gabriela fell afoul of one of them. I'm going to go out on a limb, however, and guess that Richard Cohen doesn't give a shit about that...it's just mathematics, after all.

(Yes, I'm still a little pissy about this. Dammit, I teach mathematics, I bend over backwards to try and help the students in my charge, I know that despite my best efforts it's not always going to work...and along comes Cohen, yet another ass who tells me that what I do doesn't really matter. Perhaps my job is not as meaningful as being paid to write bullshit for the Washington Post.)

[info]gr8kat

February 17 2006, 20:12:27 UTC 6 years ago

I think the teacher does make a huge difference on whether or not the student gets the math. I always consider myself mathematically declined, but I actually did well not just because the course was "dumbed down" but because the teacher actually explained things in a way I could understand and took an active role in the class. But year after year I kept getting saddled with a different teacher whose method involved working the sample problems on the overhead projector and then dinking around with his computer the rest of the period (he was also the computer teacher, and it was obvious where his head and heart were). When I had problems, he didn't ask and I didn't tell. But when I got shipped off to the dumb class, I also had teachers that wouldn't let me get away with that. Unfortunately, when I finally passed and went into geography, guess who my teacher was again. At least I eked out enough of a grade to graduate. But it was rough.

So anyway my point is that I agree that just because Mr. Cohen and Gabriela think algebra is hard, doesn't mean it should be dumped. I honestly think the problem may not be with the student (for being unteachable) or the math (for being unlearnable) but with the way it's presented, and shame, shame on the school if they just let her and other students drop out rather than trying to find a way to reach them.

[info]gr8kat

February 17 2006, 20:14:20 UTC 6 years ago

Geometry! Geometry! Dammit, I knew it wasn't geology, and I still picked the wrong one! D'oh!!!

[info]kid_lit_fan

March 7 2006, 05:29:49 UTC 6 years ago

The teacher makes SUCH a difference. I recently wrote about a book I bought for my daughter (who loves math.)

I had a great pre-algebra teacher in 7th grade, and an evil bitch in 8th. Loved Geometry (and the teacher), but could. not. get calculus and trig. The above-mentioned book, Go Figure by Johnny Ball, would have been invaluable for me at that time. My Calc/Trig teacher loved the subject, and it showed, but I didn't get it. I'd bet I could now.

That said, I use algebra all the time. (And I can do percentages. No excuse for an educated person not to be able to.) I am not a mathematician or a scientist. I am a homemaker. The mental shortcuts algebra allows me to take give me more time to appreciate other people's "highest form of reasoning."

(pointed here by [info]terpsichoros)

[info]erislover

February 17 2006, 18:28:23 UTC 6 years ago

God, tell me about it. One of the saddest things is that there are many people who boast that they are bad at math.

There was a survey done in Maine recently (saw it on Fark) and some mother was like, "Oh, I don't think we need more math and science, there aren't many jobs that require that here in Maine."

1) Keep thinking like that, bint, and it will stay that way
2) Book learnin' ain't just about jobs.
3) Fuck off.

I'm not a math genius or anything. Only got as far as Calc II. But even that has given me an enormous edge on so many people who don't have it at all and cannot properly abstract anything having to do with numbers, or determine relationships by inspection, or draw any kind of conclusions from relationships.

I've always said that the sad fact about not knowing math is that you really don't know what you are missing by not knowing. It is terribly true.

[info]orbifold

February 17 2006, 18:45:04 UTC 6 years ago

If Cohen's argument was just "Algebra shouldn't be a required subject", to be honest I'd be more likely to agree with him. Universities are perfectly capable of telling applicants which majors will require math prerequisites and which won't without high schools requiring it for everybody.

(That's not to say I don't encourage mathematics, mind you.)

But what that same argument doesn't apply to any other subject, that's what I want to know. English and history should be required, but not algebra, says Cohen, because...well, apparently because he says so and because he thinks English is better, neener neener neener.

Which goes back to the boasting thing you're talking about, of course.

[info]erislover

February 17 2006, 18:53:59 UTC 6 years ago

But algebra, certainly the high school variety, is absolutely required for everyday life. I think it is just that people don't realize they are doing algebra when they perform various routines with numbers (gasoline prices, miles per gallon, how long will a drive take, how much do I have to spend on clothes, etc etc). I blame the educational system which seems to stress math-as-procedure. This tends to make math seem like an arcane process. But what do I know? I recently heard a decent argument for the math-as-process line of thought. Still... seems to mask the abstraction part which I think is critical to knowing "what math is for." Math is for everything! ♥

On the other hand, you need four years of English in high school and god knows how many papers are written by the average person who graduates with a bachelor's degree, yet writing in this country is still abysmal. I cringe at about 50% of the emails and letters I get.

So that would call into question that more math or more English would help students at all.

[info]kid_lit_fan

March 7 2006, 05:34:00 UTC 6 years ago

I think it is just that people don't realize they are doing algebra when they perform various routines with numbers

Well put. Except for statistics, which is VERY simple math, I haven't taken a math class since my Junior year of high school. But I can do numbers in my head, and people act as if it's rocket science.

The boasting about being bad at math leads to things like a cashier handing BACK my 26c when a bill comes to, say, $15.26, because s/he doesn't get why I would give any money on top of the $20 that pays for it.

[info]valrus

February 17 2006, 22:33:21 UTC 6 years ago

= ln e1/3

Love your icon, love your last two sentences.

[info]erislover

February 17 2006, 22:49:24 UTC 6 years ago

Best limerick ever! :D
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